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Thursday, April 9, 2009

#169. Gold Investment And Tetrahedron Update 11

Create Extra Grams From This Cut Loss Strategy
Previously from November 2008 till February 2009 we have seen a great bull run in gold price. The uptrend (line C) didn't break until recently in March 2009.

We are now in what seems like a downtrend channel between line A and B. Price might move within this channel for the time being with the immediate USD850 in sight. If we don't break above line B, we might see price trending lower in the next month or so.

What strategy to use in this downtrend?

I was having a discussion with my friend and came up with an idea. Since some of you have bought at a high price and now still holding to it, this strategy might be an alternative.

From the chart, you can see that the price is now in the middle of the downtrend channel. It might go down touching line A or go up touching line B. I am hoping it goes up touching line B. But I am not so sure if we will see it breaking above line B.

If that's the case, say if it reaches line B, I am going to sell my holding. And when it then moves down to line A, I will buy it back again.

Example, when it touches line B at USD915, I will sell it. In Public Bank price, this might be around say RM104.62 (Bank's buying price). Say I sell 100 gms, I will get back RM10,462.

I will then buy back when the price goes down lower touching line A. Possibly at USD830-850 range. That would probably be at RM99.03 to RM101.42 range (Bank's selling price). In this case, with RM10,462, I can buy back around 105 or 103 gms.

What it means is that I now have created an extra 3 or 5 gms versus the original 100 gms.

Nevertheless, this is just a theory. And it all really depends on the actual timing and price that we buy and sell.

I guess this is a good reason why we have to put a stop loss when things really go south and sour.

Also, another bright side is since we have bought at RM99.03 or RM101.42, it's a lower price now. And easier for us to recoup and make a profit when price starts to move upwards again. From my record of Public Bank price, I remember seeing the price went up as high as RM115 (Bank's buying price) during the February 20th bull run of USD1,000.

What's your thought and comment on this strategy? I guess this is a way we can play 'short' (sell at high price, and buy back at low price).

11 comments:

CK said...

What if it goes down to line A instead before you could sell?

If it is headed to line A, I’m trying to compare (i) a top-up at line A, or (ii) selling now and buy low at line A, to see which one is better.

If we sell now, immediately we have loss some amount of money. If we hold, we are *pretending* that as long as it is not sold, it is not consider loss yet.

nik said...

assuming we sell at line B, say @ US915 or RM104 (bank's buying price)..the bank's selling price at that time wud be ~ RM108..
we wud hv to wait until the price falls to line A, say @ US850 or RM101(bank's selling price) to buy..meaning, we hv to wait for the bank's selling price to fall from RM108 to RM101 b4 we buy again to get the extra grams..
however, if the bank's selling price only fall to say, RM105 & then goes up again, then we will be "caught" coz we hv already sold at a loss & yet to buy at the lower price..

but if the initial loss is not to great, then i guess we can take the risk..extra grams better than nothing..

Michael Tsen said...

I think this strategy is not good to apply with Public Bank Gold accounts. If you practice this strategy for a while, you may eventually find this is the example where technical analysis is over trusted.

however, the big view of gold investment is you can probably keep until end of next year. So if you have holding power and ability to average down then by all mean try this strategy out for the sake of learning and experiencing.

furthermore I think the swing magnitude in gold price will narrow down at best so it probably wouldn't meet your trend lines targets. I would say now that it will stay around 900 zone.

further more, the graph also shows forming of double bottom, head and shoulder, which signify a big downward coming up soon

its time to take a break on gold and look at mutual fund again, perhaps ?

Carson Ding said...

Michael Tsen,

Exactly what I am thinking, there might be a downward move soon. In this case, it would be good to short a little bit and buy back at a lower price.

I am certain that the gold price will shoot up high again in November 2009. However, for the coming couple of months, we might see a weak trend in gold. This is a good time to accumulate more of it. And this strategy that I suggested here may help you add a few more grams compared to if you just hold on till November.

Nah, stocks are dead, I am not going into mutual fund / unit trust fund. We have not seen the bottom yet. Not till the US Dollars collapse.

Calvin Mak said...

Carson,

Why would you say stocks are dead? The stock bounce up recently, I’m not sure whether it is a short rebounce or it is really recovering. I thought normally the stock market predicts the economy? Going down means economy is bad, going up means economy is recovering. Well, although it is said that the country is going to print more money for bailout, but they also have gold reserve which they can sell.

Carson Ding said...

Calvin Mak,

It depends on how you view it. There are two sides of a coin.

This bounce may be a short bear market rally. That means moving up in a small way in a downtrend. It will not beat the previous high. It will just climb a bit and then fall lower.

Stock market can be manipulated to go up. Just like how when an important figure speaks a few words and the stock market suddenly moves up. Therefore, it's my opinion that the stock market doesn't reflect how the economy is really doing. To see how the economy is doing, we need to read the datas released (unemployment, GDP, etc). Even so, these datas can be tweaked.

The sales of gold by central banks have also declined in the past year. They are conserving it.

Koh said...

Rule of Thumb, do not invest with your emotion. Do not enter the market without any knowledge, there is no good time or bad time to invest, just remember choose the best investment vehicle during good time and bad time, and never loss your capital.

encikwan said...

Being a amateur chartist, I will only use short term money to 'trade' gold. Gold has a long term objective which is a hedge of inflation, currency devaluation and political instability, e.g. I will not 'trade' life/accident/health insurance.

Anonymous said...

Be careful when investing in Gold.Although it's prices has gone up in days but in RM term it has gone up much less due the fact the US$ is getting weaker and the gold price is based in US$. In order for the Public Bank Gold price to go up, it will need to "work" twice as hard to fight off the falling US$.

Nic

nik said...

yes..i think nic is right..no wonder my PBB gold price do not seem to go up much even when the USD gold price went up..

shud hv thought of that earlier coz now i m indeed stuck...so gotta hold on & wait & wait..

Gouk said...

As a goldbug saying, 'Staple 5 year chart on your forehead when you are thinking of selling'.

When on uptrend, sell only your profit. When it stabilize at peak sell everything.

During downtrend use CDA (Cost Dollar Averaging) and VA. When it goes down and stabilize, buy some more :))

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